Fovere by Phil Julian (2025) - Statement by ElAttarine

Knopfnase 5 months ago

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Right on point.

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ElAttarine 5 months ago

1

Unfortunately, it disappointed me...

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Luwa 8 months ago

1

He didn't convince you.
I still have that one on my list too.

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ElAttarine 8 months ago

Then I'm curious - maybe you'll like it better!

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Chizza 8 months ago

1

Sounds rather modest.

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ElAttarine 8 months ago

It definitely doesn't suit me.

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Stulle 8 months ago

1

Oh dear. I thought ethyl maltol had gone out of style?

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ElAttarine 8 months ago

1

I don't have that impression right now; I've been traveling a lot by train today...

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Baneling 8 months ago

3

The comments... 😅 ...well, I'm not really the target audience either, but I would test it if I get the chance. I think a 5 is still quite generous (average) if you don't like the scent. I find honest comments very important; they've never stopped me from forming my own opinion. And I'm actually grateful for the Ambricenide warnings (migraines). Peace 😘

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Seta 11 hours ago

I completely agree! This shouldn't just be a pure advertising platform. And I also find Ambrocenide terrible; I'm glad for the warnings too.

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ElAttarine 8 months ago

Thank you! He will find his friends, and I wish Phil lots of success and all the best!
Exactly: Peace.

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Ropanski2020 9 months ago

4

Huh, what's going on here in the comments section? 🙄 I’m not familiar with this fragrance house, but I definitely know the perfumer. To be honest, I'm a bit saturated with these kinds of scents. But I'm sure there are plenty of people who will enjoy it. I'm moving on.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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I was also surprised by the comments! I do like some of Carbonnel's stuff. But I'll leave this one for others who enjoy it more!

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AdrYurrr 9 months ago

The scent is really amazing and a fantastic first release. Please form your own opinion and don’t let this comment discourage you. Giving the fragrance a 5 may be true for this person, but for most "good" noses, it will simply be a total winner. Statements like "plastic musk" or "as long as there's ethyl maltol" sound like describing a cheap dupe, which is absolutely unfair to the fragrance. I find it shocking how many people just say NO to it because of this. There are even samples available now. So if you really want to leave a meaningful comment instead of saying things like "oh god, better not" or "sounds terrible," which don’t contribute anything to the actual scent without having tested it, then TEST it first.
For me, it’s a beautiful fresh-spicy & oriental-sweet fragrance.
Thanks :)

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Seta 11 hours ago

2

Fragrance assessments are always very varied and subjective, as everyone has a different sense of smell due to biological factors, including different anosmias and hyperosmias. On top of that, tastes vary.
El Attarine has always commented with integrity and thoughtfulness, having tested over 2000 fragrances...
Parfumo is not just an advertising platform or one for influencers. Anyone can share their opinion here, even a negative one. The fragrance has mostly been praised here, just not by everyone. So what?

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AdrYurrr 8 months ago

Your response to the original statement didn't seem convincing either. In a way, I was countering her statement, which was my goal, since so many people are put off by the scent and many just repeat that opinion. Absolutely no hate towards “ElAttarine.” I just wanted to show a different side of the fragrance in this comment section - including my opinion. By the way, I didn't say she has a "bad nose" and that only "good noses" will appreciate this scent. I simply said that most "good" noses would like the fragrance :)

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Chizza 8 months ago

9

You contrast her opinion with "good" noses, which is also purely subjective, and you dismiss her statement. Honestly, I have to say that your comments make me more hesitant about the fragrance than her actual statement, as it's inappropriate.

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AdrYurrr 9 months ago

I didn't accuse you of anything.
However, one could definitely interpret your original statement as a "hate attack," as it just sounds aggressive and derogatory. That's exactly what 99% of the readers will notice first, and it will totally turn them off. Is that fair or just for the fragrance? No.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

10

Thank you for your feedback. I tested it with interest, an open mind, and in detail, but unfortunately, I don't seem to be the target audience.
I'm not here to push any hate agenda; that's not why I'm on Parfumo, and I never write anything without a thorough test. I would like to politely dismiss such insinuations.
And as I mentioned before, I wish Phil much success with his debut and future releases!

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Florian86 9 months ago

Thanks for the warning!

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AdrYurrr 9 months ago

Exactly the kind of comments I'm talking about. "Thanks for the warning" as if this is some potentially harmful mixture. My goodness, try the scent instead of leaving such pointless comments here.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

Maybe you'll like it better... It's not for me.

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Puderperle 9 months ago

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Oh, it didn't go over well for you. I've read quite a few praises for it. But I trust your opinion.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

Trust your own impression - it didn't really convince me.

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NuiWhakakore 9 months ago

1

If the rum is fermenting, then something has definitely gone horribly wrong...

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

Well, it doesn't work for me - seems to work better for others.

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Seejungfrau 9 months ago

7

Carbonnel could definitely ... see Meluzyna.
His commissioned works just don't appeal to me.
The fanbase can enjoy it all they want.
Great description below!

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Seejungfrau 9 months ago

8

Yes. Some just can't handle that you don't fall into euphoria. 😏

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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Thanks, and exactly, I have nothing against Carbonnel; I think Meluzyna is fantastic. I'm just not the target audience here and I'm happy to leave it to others.

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TheBladi11 9 months ago

10

Thank you for your honesty and steadfastness!
Ethylmaltol has ruined quite a few fragrances for me, and I don't expect this one to be any different.
Don't let the fanboys here get to you or bring you down.
It's better to stay productive-everyone has an opinion, but is it well-founded?
That's a different story...

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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Thanks for your feedback! I tested it with an open mind, but I'm just not the target audience...

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Khalifa456 9 months ago

When I read something like this again, that ethyl maltol tastes or smells like cotton candy (sticky/sweet), it has nothing in common with this beautiful resinous, spicy, and sweet scent, and then plastic musk-nowadays, there are absolutely, or almost, no fragrances that don't rely on synthetic musk notes, making this a completely nonsensical statement. Is there anyone else from the category: I’m something special and only rate absolutely niche (often unbearable and overpriced) fragrances, where 8 out of 10 people would say: unbearable?

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Danny264 9 months ago

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How can you judge someone for their subjective opinion?!! Everyone has different tastes. Some like certain things more, and some like them less. She has also tested and rated "mainstream" fragrances well enough... I just don't get it. This is unworthy of Parfumo.

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Schneubli 9 months ago

I can only agree with you! "I'm something really special and only rate absolutely niche (often unbearable and overpriced) fragrances, where 8 out of 10 people would say: unbearable" sums it up perfectly...

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Johnnyhoston 9 months ago

14

I can only agree with Gold. Everyone experiences scents in their own way; what seems too sweet or artificial to one person is a highlight for another. Some just have a finer sensitivity to certain notes. In the end, it’s nice that tastes are so different. That’s what makes the world of fragrances exciting. There’s no need to talk about "categories" and come off as insulting.

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Q17 9 months ago

Don't give this small fringe group a platform on Parfumo. In real life, you wouldn't even notice them.

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Gold 9 months ago

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And what "category" are you, Khalifa456? I find it terrible to insult others over differing opinions on a fragrance (!!!), which is purely a matter of taste. This clearly shows what kind of person you are. If you can't handle that someone else's favorite scent isn't perceived as absolutely amazing by them as it is by you, you should really reconsider why you react that way.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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Maybe my nose is deceiving me, but I smell Ethyl Maltol.
And let's skip the other accusations - this is about fragrances, not people. I'm glad you like the scent; I wanted to like it too.

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Mrtangiers 9 months ago

Phew, sounds really bad.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

Not too bad! But I feel like it missed its potential.

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Johnnyhoston 9 months ago

Now I understand what I didn't like about it. I found the drydown exactly as you described it. What a shame..

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

Yes, that's a shame - but it's great that others like it!

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Gold 9 months ago

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I don't know the brand yet. Seems to be a bit polarizing... :). What a "cheeky" statement from you... tsk tsk... You really allow yourself to have your own taste?! Unbelievable!

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

This is the debut of the label... Maybe the next one will convince me more.

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Rupansai 9 months ago

Seems like it's brewed very much in the spirit of the times; I really don't like Ethyl Maltol (E637) at all.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

Yes, I find it very much in tune with the times. It also appeals to his friends.

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Stella73 9 months ago

4

Also one that doesn't contribute to the goodwill of the fragrance list (topic 200.00).

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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At least not to my liking...

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Käse 9 months ago

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Yeah. Well.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

Yeah. Well, not really.

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Rosalie234 9 months ago

1

You could already sense it-

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

Well, I was open-minded.

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JonasP1 9 months ago

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That's nothing, and I'm often sensitive about that too...

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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Yes, this kind of sweetness is really in style right now.

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NightFighter 9 months ago

1

Look at that, I didn't expect that! 😯

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

I was really open and interested, but it just doesn't suit me.

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SchatzSucher 9 months ago

19

It doesn't appeal to me either.
But this whining and fussing when a highly praised fragrance gets some criticism... the things people assume right away are unbelievable. 🙄

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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Yes, - and I can assure you that I know nothing of any conspiracy and am only addressing the scent.

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Rosalie234 9 months ago

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You can only agree with that.

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ExUser 9 months ago

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I agree. What an unsympathetic, disrespectful, and immature behavior - it really takes away my enjoyment of the fragrance!

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Skylla 9 months ago

11

I agree and won't be testing the scent out of principle. The whole behavior around it is very off-putting!

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Flakon11e 9 months ago

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I guess I'm not really the target audience here..
Thank you for your insightful statement 🏆

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

I suspect that too. Thank you!

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Pollita 9 months ago

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I'm probably not the target audience either.

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Bosworth 9 months ago

I probably wouldn't like it either.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

I think so too.

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Kailani 9 months ago

your poor nose...🙋‍♀️

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

I don't find it terrible, but it's a bit too mainstream and ethyl maltol for my taste.

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Theris 9 months ago

The ending is really off-putting.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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Unfortunately, not for me; I would have liked to enjoy it.

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AbscheBo 9 months ago

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Is this a self-fulfilling prophecy here? If you expect something bad, does it happen? It’s not uncommon for a perfume not to be liked.

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TeoDerMann 9 months ago

2

The question is just:
To be or not to be.
🤙

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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Luckily, there’s a range of opinions here and not just 0 or 10 points!

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ParfumAholic 9 months ago

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Isn't the purpose of this platform to share scent impressions in the form of statements and reviews? Sometimes I get the impression that negative scent descriptions aren't welcome. It's impossible for everyone to like everything, and as long as a dislike doesn't turn into a personal attack, it should be perfectly fine. I only know ElAttarine as a very serious tester, and I've never read a "frivolous" statement from her. And as always, in the end, everyone has to form their own opinion about a fragrance.

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Rosalie234 9 months ago

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I've unfortunately experienced that too.
With certain fragrances, you can only leave good impressions - otherwise, there's a risk...
Well, I'm with Aholic; tastes vary.
Thanks!

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Pollita 9 months ago

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Nothing to add to that. Thank you!

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

6

Thank you all - and I tested the scent in an open-minded, interested, and thorough way.

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Q17 9 months ago

Objective criticism is completely appropriate, but these ridiculous comments from people who haven't tested the fragrance are just silly. It's pretty obvious who is commenting.

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Schneubli 9 months ago

I find this statement just rude... how can someone criticize a new piece like that? I'm speechless.

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Gold 9 months ago

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Since when is it rude to have your own taste and express your opinion? If this statement leaves you speechless, you might be in the wrong forum.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

14

I'm simply not convinced by the scent and I'll explain my reasons. Others might find it great!
And I wish @Phil01 all the best for his project! Maybe a future one will win me over.

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BeJot 9 months ago

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Oh dear, oh dear!

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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Well, I guess I've stirred things up here. I'm just not the target audience...

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Ergoproxy 9 months ago

3

That sounds like a headache. 🫣

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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For me, there's just too much ethyl maltol...

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Gandix 9 months ago

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Maltol... It's lurking here too. Now I'm getting a bit uneasy...

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Spatzl 9 months ago

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Do I have to mention that too, @ElAttarine 🫣?

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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You can have mine, @Spatzl!

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Spatzl 9 months ago

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I'm curious to hear what you think about it, @Gandix (if you dare to say it 😅). After all this excitement, I'm almost interested in it again. I wasn't before. And I swear ✌️... if I ever come across it, I will test it without hesitation. 😅

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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Oh, don’t be put off! But it’s not for me. I’m curious to hear your thoughts.

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Khriso 9 months ago

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It's not that bad, really. And I'm saying this even though I usually avoid very sweet scents. In terms of quality, it can definitely hold its own.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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That's always a matter of taste, of course. I really like Grand Soir, for example, but I'm not a fan of the sweetness here.

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LiLu77 9 months ago

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If you look at the previous reviews on parfumo, you have to concede one thing to Mr. Wagner: his marketing seems to be working...
I guess I won't actively seek out a chance to test it.

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LiLu77 9 months ago

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I completely agree with you, but with around 2,000 new fragrances in the first four months of the year, you really have to be selective about the test candidates in advance...

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

I always think that testing it yourself doesn't hurt! But here, it just didn't convince me.

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Sapho 9 months ago

2

Thanks for the warning! "A lot of plastic musk" - that doesn't sound good.

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Florian86 9 months ago

@Timmeteq yes, there are, especially with artisans like Ensar, Areej, Nebiru, etc.

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Sapho 9 months ago

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I think the term "plastic musk" refers to a scent that isn't harmoniously fine, woody, slightly powdery, and minimally sweet (like I perceive authentic musk), but rather one that comes across as super synthetic, @Timmeteq.

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Timmeteq 9 months ago

What is plastic musk? Is there still real musk in fragrances?

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

Well, it's not for me.

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Floyd 9 months ago

1

That sounds unpleasant.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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It's not for me.

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ElBauro 9 months ago

2

I didn't find it synthetic at all.
Noses can be so different. I still recommend trying it for yourself 😋

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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It's always a matter of taste - I can handle some synthetic notes well. But here, there's just too much ethyl maltol for me. And of course, I always recommend testing it yourself; otherwise, it doesn't make sense.

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Rogaux 9 months ago

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Oh dear! You're being quite generous there. 🙂

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

I really wavered when rating this. But it will definitely find many friends.

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Cfr 9 months ago

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Hi there! 😃

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

Go ahead and laugh at me, I was just curious.

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Legga 9 months ago

5

I would love to see that statement as a review :)

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

I think I'll pass on that...

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Andin 9 months ago

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Thank you for your assessment! It has been praised to the skies here, so I was quite curious. But it seems like someone is just riding the sweet wave very successfully.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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I can definitely see how it might appeal to many people. But it's not for me.

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Can777 9 months ago

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That sounds terrible.🙈 We'll stick with the supposedly compared originals... that's it!

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

1

Absolutely! - I was recklessly curious yesterday. This morning, the towel from last night still smelled of it...

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CharlAmbre 9 months ago

7

Sounds terrible. I also find it interesting that in most reviews, the scent character is barely described, but the "similarity" is emphasized much more. It seems like he has found his target audience...

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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Yes, and they should keep it!

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Duftgroupie 9 months ago

Too bad about the bottle.

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Timmeteq 9 months ago

The bottle is the worst part of this wonderful fragrance!

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

He will find his friends...

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Brida 9 months ago

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I almost thought so 🫣

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

It was a sentence with x...

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Pollita 9 months ago

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Sounds terrible.

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Timmeteq 9 months ago

Try it, it's very nicely spicy.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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Lasts a long time too. It finds its lovers.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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Sweet-synthetic mainstream with a lot of ethyl maltol, synthetic musk, and tonka. For me, it has an unpleasant fermented note. It's outrageous to compare it to Grand Soir or even Musc Ravageur.

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Seta 14 hours ago

You've tested over 2000 fragrances and have a 'fairly good' nose.

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Knopfnase 5 months ago

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I completely agree. I found it unpleasant too.

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ElAttarine 9 months ago

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I can also smell a bit of lavender with my moderately trained nose. I didn't pick up on any tobacco.

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Timmeteq 9 months ago

Experienced noses smell lavender and spicy tobacco here. What you're describing confuses me.

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