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The case against "niche" and "designer"

Introduction

My obsession before fragrance was watches. I still love them but don't collect actively and I'm not part of the "community" as it were. But when I was, there was lots of discussion about "fashion" watches vs the "real" or "serious" watch brands. And the distinction between the two is much the same as in the fragrance community: "fashion" watches are made by brands where watches aren't their main focus; i.e. clothing designer brands or jewelry makers, rather than "serious" watches that are made by brands whose history is rooted in watchmaking.

The bias against fashion watches is much worse than the bias against designer fragrances however. They are hated to the point where someone gets actively made fun of if they post about Gucci watches for example, or even worse, a brand like MVMT that just resells very cheap watches straight from Alibaba, with their branding added, for 20x profit. Fashion watches are essentially not considered watches an enthusiast would even think about wearing. It's so bad that newbies will automatically discount Bvlgari watches as "fashion" and ignore them, whereas those in know are aware that they compete with the big dogs in terms of quality, despite being a fashion brand.

So when I first got into fragrances and saw the distinction being made between "designer" and "niche" brands, I thought I knew exactly where I stood. Of course, niche fragrances are higher quality, and enthusiasts wouldn't be caught dead wearing designers, right?

Boy was I wrong. The difference between "niche" and "designer" in the fragrance community is much more subtle; so subtle, in fact, that it becomes difficult to distinguish or ultimately matter, making the distinction, in my opinion, unnecessary:

Quality difference

One of the arguments that proponents of the niche/designer distinction have is that niche fragrances are higher quality. Having seen lots of GCMS breakdowns of both niche and designer fragrances, I can tell you they use a lot of the same materials, and niche brands aren't using much more naturals in their fragrances than designer brands. Houses like Guerlain can easily compete with niche brands in their quality, even among their cheaper offerings.

Not only that, but designer brands use many of the same perfumers as well. If anything, designer brands can hire better perfumers, and keep them on as house perfumers so the brand has a cohesive theme and creative vision, like Chanel and Dior, rather than niche houses who usually hire a different perfumer for each new release.

The only thing I can see going for this argument is that designer brands want to appeal to the majority whereas niche brands aren't as concerned with that. But designer private lines are not sold in department stores, and the perfumers can take a lot more risk and are given more creative freedom with those, so I don't think that argument quite holds up either. And assuming it did, there plenty of niche brands like Creed and PDM that want to appeal to the least-common-denominator as well, so it makes it a moot point.

What makes a brand "designer?"

Another difficulty is actually classifying brands as designer or niche. Usually the rule is "was the brand famous for making something else before adding perfume to their catalog?" or at least, that's how I've understood it. But then you come to a brand like Marc-Antoine Barrois, which started as a fashion brand. Are they niche or designer? I think the almost-universal consensus is niche. Heck, even Creed claims to have been a fashion boutique before they made fragrances, but god only knows what is true or false about the history of that brand.

Another example is Aesop. I'm pretty sure most people consider them a designer brand, but Le Labo for instance offers a similar suite of fragrance-adjacent products such as hair care, skincare, toiletries, etc. and yet they are considered niche. Why?

The words themselves

One of my biggest pet peeves is that "niche" and "designer" aren't antonyms in the slightest. A brand can be both or it can be neither. It's easy to find some that are neither, just any brand that isn't considered niche but is not a clothing or accessory brand; i.e. celebrities, car manufacturers, glassmakers (Lalique, Baccarat), cigar makers (Davidoff). But there are also brands that I would classify as both niche and designer; a brand that is a clothing designer but creates fragrances that are more unique/artisanal, and not found in most department stores. Some examples would be Loewe, Comme des Garcons, Maison Margiela, or Dries van Noten.

The definition of "niche" is "denoting products, services, or interests that appeal to a small, specialized section of the population." So the opposite of that is "mainstream," or "mass-appealing!" But niche brands like PDM and MFK make mainstream and mass-appealing scents all the time. Just like niche designer brands, you now have mass-appealing niche fragrances, which is an oxymoron.

Pedigree and heritage

In the watch world, one of the most important reasons the "real" watch brands are set apart from the "fashion" ones is their history and heritage. The big watch brands like Rolex, Patek Philippe, Zenith, Omega just to name a few, have written the history of the watch as we know it today. From design elements to achievements, they were the innovators, and that is why they are so respected.

But who wrote the history of fragrances? Designers! Chanel, Coty, Guerlain, Caron — these are the brands that created the first popular fragrances, that innovated perfumery. So how can we say now that these houses are subpar or in any way lesser than their niche counterparts?

Conclusion

I obviously know that I will have little to no effect on how people think about and discuss fragrances, and that this article is little more than a rant that no one will really take seriously. But I do want to offer an alternative to "niche" and "designer" in case there are like-minded folks who are as irritated with these labels as I am. My solution is twofold: 1. Use "mainstream" rather than "designer" and 2. Label individual fragrances rather than houses.

To me, a fragrance is "mainstream" if it is sold in your local "basic" department store (for me it is Macy's), or if it is very popular and widespread despite only being sold in boutiques or luxury stores, like Baccarat Rouge 540 Eau de Parfum or Aventus. Niche fragrances are those that a non-enthusiast would not have come across or know about.

Again using Baccarat Rouge 540 Eau de Parfum as an example of a mainstream fragrance, Maison Francis Kurkdjian also makes niche fragrances. Oud Extrait de Parfum sits right next to Baccarat on the shelf, but is largely ignored by non-enthusiasts. So MFK is not a "niche" house or a "mainstream" house, but a house that makes both niche and mainstream fragrances, as are most other houses. Dior makes both Sauvage Eau de Toilette, the mainstreamiest mainstream fragrance of all, but it also makes New Look and Oud Rosewood Eau de Parfum, fragrances that non-enthusiasts would think smell gross. Why restrict a huge catalog into one box only?

So, what does everyone else think? Are the terms "niche" and "designer" antiquated with the rise of designer private lines and mass-appealing niche-brand fragrances? Or is it still useful to make a distinction between houses that only make fragrance as opposed to those who sell other product lines?

24 Comments
underlineyouunderlineyou 4 days ago
Really interesting perspective on the quality debate between niche and designer perfumes — I totally agree that many niche houses use the same perfumers and ingredients as big designer brands. But I still think niche fragrances stand out in emotion and storytelling.
I recently read a detailed article breaking down this difference and the history behind niche perfumery here:
👉 https://underlineyourbeauty.com/what-is-niche-fragrance/
KillsocketKillsocket 4 months ago
Nicely written! It got me thinking...
I wish the term "artisan" got as much traction as a separate and distinct category along side the designer/niche debate.
I love the idea of "mainstream" though. Mainstream and Craft might be the better descriptive terms.
UrsawUrsaw 5 months ago
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When I first started this hobby, I was really apprehensive about niche. I thought it meant indie. And indie... didn't necessarily mean low quality. But it easily could've. And unlike, say, with video games, there's no way to just google screenshots or walkthroughs of a perfume to find out what it has to offer for its often steep price.
It also didn't help that when I tried to figure out where the line in the sand is, people (back on Fragrantica) pointed to things like Anarchist A, with notes like "priest's clothes" and "plastic bag". I'm still struggling to take that seriously, if I'm being honest.
But either way, a cat in the bag from an indie brand with unspecified quality standards? It could easily be cat piss distilled in someone's kitchen for 200$ per 30ml for all I know. Did not sound like a good way to spend my money.
So imagine my surprise when I found out that niche is basically "a brand that didn't do anything interesting before this". That's... unhelpful, if not useless.
OmnipotatoOmnipotato 5 months ago
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This is a point I really considered putting in this article - that the niche/designer distinction is very unhelpful to beginners. When I first started my journey I wanted to smell completely unique to everyone else. When I tried my first "niche" fragrances, Aventus and Percival, imagine my surprise when they smelled just like everything else at the Macy's fragrance counter.
Your point about indie is also true. Generally indie perfumers will try to use higher quality ingredients, but the fact remains that they are generally inexperienced perfumers who don't have the skill of an Alberto Morillas or a Dominique Ropion, even though perfumers like those are usually contracted to make a mainstream mass-appealing fragrance for a big designer brand. You could even say indie perfumers try to make up for their inexperience by using naturals, like an amateur chef that needs $100 to make a meal, when a more experienced chef can make something more delicious for $10.
SamasamaaSamasamaa 5 months ago
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Exactly - the last point you made about mfk having br540 and oud being ignored.
Last DHP was niche in composition - the current one is designer.
Tonka sarrapia is niche, mon guerlain is designer.
Ununtamam is niche, ani is designer.
So on and so forth - in my mind, its about the individuality of the fragrance itself. Not money, not brand, not subliminal or explicit marketing but - the scent.
OmnipotatoOmnipotato 5 months ago
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For sure, and I'd go even further and say that your perception of niche or mainstream may differ to mine. For example, I would consider Nishane Ani to be niche rather than mainstream - but that's ok, there are no hard and fast rules.
Stardust23Stardust23 5 months ago
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I actually love this article more for the discussion than anything. Ultimately, I could not care less whether the scent I enjoy is from a niche house, or a designer house. At one point, I did try to "correct" newbies on whether a house was niche or designer, but in recent times, I've told myself to just STFU about it, and let people classify as they wish because in the end you either love the fragrance, or you don't.
I think another way of classifying, and it's similar to your suggestions is how some of us may classify books. I usually think "Literary" or "Bubble Gum," lol. And, I love both by the way. Sometimes I want to read The Road by Cormac McCarthy, and sometimes I want to read The Hunger Games. Under that, we might say:
Dior Amber Nuit - Literary.
Dior Sauvage - Bubble Gum.
Neither are bad, it's just whatever you're in the mood for. Admittedly, in the past, I would say, no, Dior is a designer house, hence everything is designer, but it really doesn't matter.
OmnipotatoOmnipotato 5 months ago
Yeah, sort of like "art perfumery" and "pop perfumery." I can see that, but that would be even harder to pin down the difference and make the distinction than my suggestion of mainstream/niche. For example I would consider BR540 art perfumery though I think a lot of people would disagree with me.
Jan21Jan21 5 months ago
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You've made some great points!
I have so much to say about this topic, but I'll keep it short and simple instead of preaching.
This applies to both perfumes and any other hobby/point of interest: don't fall into snobbery and pettiness/bitterness. That's not the point of a hobby. The point is to simply enjoy it :)
OmnipotatoOmnipotato 5 months ago
Absolutely. Niche snobbery doesn't even make sense considering the amount of niche brands out there making very very mass-appealing scents.
Stardust23Stardust23 5 months ago
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Well said, and very true.
TzapanTzapan 5 months ago
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I agree with you @Omnipotato Thank you for the article. Many designer houses have premium lines of fragrances. DIOR, CHANEL,YSL
Also we must underline subjectiveness. We can wear a certain fragrance we consider superb even if it falls in the mainstream category. It is a matter of taste. I like Hermes fragrances. I do not consider them niche. They carry the Hermes stamp. Never too loud,classy ,elegant. (With some exceptions)
OmnipotatoOmnipotato 5 months ago
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Absolutely. Mainstream fragrances are made to be mass-appealing. That does not make them bad
jettodesujettodesu 5 months ago
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I adore this! A peek into the world of watches was also interesting for me as someone with no knowledge about the hobby. Not only is it hard to differentiate niche from designer in this context, but I personally think it's ridiculous to try to turn it into an objective judge of quality. I find unique and rare fragrances interesting, but I really don't have a desire to smell... controversial. I want to smell "mass-appealing" as you've put it, though my own opinion is always the most important of course. It annoys me when people who are too deep into this hobby forget the reality of practical, daily life where it's not a great idea to go to work smelling like animal urine or spoiled curry. A fragrance/brand being popular, accessible, or (relatively) affordable does not inherently tell you anything about its quality, creativity, or value.
OmnipotatoOmnipotato 5 months ago
Glad you enjoyed! I agree, the reason I want to use "mainstream" to describe these fragrances rather than "mass-appealing" is that there are plenty of niche scents that are not necessarily "controversial" as you put it. Something like Xerjoff Monkey Special for example is definitely niche in that it smells unique and most non-enthusiasts don't know about it, but it is pleasant and inoffensive.
GourmandgrlGourmandgrl 5 months ago
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Great article @Omnipotato , I agree that an entire house doesn't to be labeled one way when their offerings can vary sooo widely. This was a fun read, appreciate you sharing!
kitteakittea 5 months ago
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I feel much the same way. When I think "niche" I think "hard to find" or "unique". If you can easily find it at a department store, it's not niche! Probably for me a more useful distinction would be "indie": smaller brands that aren't owned by large brand umbrellas like LVMH.
I used to be guilty of the niche/indie snobbery until I wised up and realized that, well, things that are popular are usually popular for a reason. I'm still always going to personally prefer perfumes that do something strange or unique with their concepts, but I'm not going to knock designer fragrances for being designer. That's just falling for marketing but in the opposite direction, imo.
jettodesujettodesu 5 months ago
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I think there's nothing wrong with "niche snobbery" as long as its directed at your own shelf, and not others'! And I love how you put it in the last line: disliking things purely because they're popular is just as brainless and liking things purely because they're popular.
OmnipotatoOmnipotato 5 months ago
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Yeah I definitely think indie fragrance brands should be identified with that label since they are small-batch, artisanal, etc, compared to big name niche brands that are essentially competing with designers at this point. Also, I think you'd be surprised (if you've been avoiding designer fragrances, that is) at how many designer frags out there are also doing strange and unique things. Pasha de Cartier Noir Absolu is WEIRD. Gucci Guilty Elixir Pour Homme is definitely more niche and out there than Amouage Reflection Man, or even Reflection 45. D&G Devotion Pour Homme is a lemon-coffee-oakmoss which sounds like a strange combination because it is, and I'm here for it. Sauvage Elixir has since skyrocketed in popularity and inspired homages (ironically from niche brands, Aventus Absolu and Apex Parfum), but when it was released it was extremely unique and absolutely smelled niche; more niche than a lot of so-called niche houses.
CeesieCeesie 5 months ago
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What a great post, thank you so much! Great how there are (non?)parallels with the watch industry.
Another example that immediately came to mind was Gucci Guilty Absolute as a non-mainstream designer and Layton as a mainstream niche.
When the hair on my neck starts to rise is when niche is considered “quality “. I believe that designer houses have deeper pockets, can buy the raw materials at better price rates, have more R&D etc and as you say they have the perfumers behind them. So they better deliver quality.
So maybe that’s what makes niche or indie brands so much fun and quirky. It’s just stuff what is sprouted in a perfumers mind, and sometimes that connects with us certain ways designer perfumes don’t. Is it fair to say that “designer” perfumes are designed especially with mainstream in mind? And niche with the artistic mindset?
OmnipotatoOmnipotato 5 months ago
Thanks! Yeah I touched on that a little bit (designers making fragrances for the mainstream), but my conclusion was that most niche brands do the same. Creed, Roja, PDM, MFK all jump on trends and want to release the "next big thing." I still think it's worth using "indie" or "artisanal" to describe smaller brands that are perfumer-owned or those that don't care about releasing trendy stuff.
Tomsn144Tomsn144 5 months ago
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Very Nice Post ! Totally agree with you.
SmirkySmirky 5 months ago
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Great blog post! Totally agree. Would only add: 'Niche fragrances are those that a non-enthusiast would not have come across or know about" or those they wouldn't wear because of the scent! :-)
OmnipotatoOmnipotato 5 months ago
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Thanks! I wanted to make it just about availability and popularity to keep it simple, but yeah, I think something like Gucci Guilty Absolute is more niche than Roja Elysium PC for example, even though the Gucci is/was available at Macy's/Sephora/etc.

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