The case against "niche" and "designer"
Introduction
My obsession before fragrance was watches. I still love them but don't collect actively and I'm not part of the "community" as it were. But when I was, there was lots of discussion about "fashion" watches vs the "real" or "serious" watch brands. And the distinction between the two is much the same as in the fragrance community: "fashion" watches are made by brands where watches aren't their main focus; i.e. clothing designer brands or jewelry makers, rather than "serious" watches that are made by brands whose history is rooted in watchmaking.
The bias against fashion watches is much worse than the bias against designer fragrances however. They are hated to the point where someone gets actively made fun of if they post about Gucci watches for example, or even worse, a brand like MVMT that just resells very cheap watches straight from Alibaba, with their branding added, for 20x profit. Fashion watches are essentially not considered watches an enthusiast would even think about wearing. It's so bad that newbies will automatically discount Bvlgari watches as "fashion" and ignore them, whereas those in know are aware that they compete with the big dogs in terms of quality, despite being a fashion brand.
So when I first got into fragrances and saw the distinction being made between "designer" and "niche" brands, I thought I knew exactly where I stood. Of course, niche fragrances are higher quality, and enthusiasts wouldn't be caught dead wearing designers, right?
Boy was I wrong. The difference between "niche" and "designer" in the fragrance community is much more subtle; so subtle, in fact, that it becomes difficult to distinguish or ultimately matter, making the distinction, in my opinion, unnecessary:
Quality difference
One of the arguments that proponents of the niche/designer distinction have is that niche fragrances are higher quality. Having seen lots of GCMS breakdowns of both niche and designer fragrances, I can tell you they use a lot of the same materials, and niche brands aren't using much more naturals in their fragrances than designer brands. Houses like Guerlain can easily compete with niche brands in their quality, even among their cheaper offerings.
Not only that, but designer brands use many of the same perfumers as well. If anything, designer brands can hire better perfumers, and keep them on as house perfumers so the brand has a cohesive theme and creative vision, like Chanel and Dior, rather than niche houses who usually hire a different perfumer for each new release.
The only thing I can see going for this argument is that designer brands want to appeal to the majority whereas niche brands aren't as concerned with that. But designer private lines are not sold in department stores, and the perfumers can take a lot more risk and are given more creative freedom with those, so I don't think that argument quite holds up either. And assuming it did, there plenty of niche brands like Creed and PDM that want to appeal to the least-common-denominator as well, so it makes it a moot point.
What makes a brand "designer?"
Another difficulty is actually classifying brands as designer or niche. Usually the rule is "was the brand famous for making something else before adding perfume to their catalog?" or at least, that's how I've understood it. But then you come to a brand like Marc-Antoine Barrois, which started as a fashion brand. Are they niche or designer? I think the almost-universal consensus is niche. Heck, even Creed claims to have been a fashion boutique before they made fragrances, but god only knows what is true or false about the history of that brand.
Another example is Aesop. I'm pretty sure most people consider them a designer brand, but Le Labo for instance offers a similar suite of fragrance-adjacent products such as hair care, skincare, toiletries, etc. and yet they are considered niche. Why?
The words themselves
One of my biggest pet peeves is that "niche" and "designer" aren't antonyms in the slightest. A brand can be both or it can be neither. It's easy to find some that are neither, just any brand that isn't considered niche but is not a clothing or accessory brand; i.e. celebrities, car manufacturers, glassmakers (Lalique, Baccarat), cigar makers (Davidoff). But there are also brands that I would classify as both niche and designer; a brand that is a clothing designer but creates fragrances that are more unique/artisanal, and not found in most department stores. Some examples would be Loewe, Comme des Garcons, Maison Margiela, or Dries van Noten.
The definition of "niche" is "denoting products, services, or interests that appeal to a small, specialized section of the population." So the opposite of that is "mainstream," or "mass-appealing!" But niche brands like PDM and MFK make mainstream and mass-appealing scents all the time. Just like niche designer brands, you now have mass-appealing niche fragrances, which is an oxymoron.
Pedigree and heritage
In the watch world, one of the most important reasons the "real" watch brands are set apart from the "fashion" ones is their history and heritage. The big watch brands like Rolex, Patek Philippe, Zenith, Omega just to name a few, have written the history of the watch as we know it today. From design elements to achievements, they were the innovators, and that is why they are so respected.
But who wrote the history of fragrances? Designers! Chanel, Coty, Guerlain, Caron — these are the brands that created the first popular fragrances, that innovated perfumery. So how can we say now that these houses are subpar or in any way lesser than their niche counterparts?
Conclusion
I obviously know that I will have little to no effect on how people think about and discuss fragrances, and that this article is little more than a rant that no one will really take seriously. But I do want to offer an alternative to "niche" and "designer" in case there are like-minded folks who are as irritated with these labels as I am. My solution is twofold: 1. Use "mainstream" rather than "designer" and 2. Label individual fragrances rather than houses.
To me, a fragrance is "mainstream" if it is sold in your local "basic" department store (for me it is Macy's), or if it is very popular and widespread despite only being sold in boutiques or luxury stores, like Baccarat Rouge 540 Eau de Parfum or
Aventus. Niche fragrances are those that a non-enthusiast would not have come across or know about.
Again using Baccarat Rouge 540 Eau de Parfum as an example of a mainstream fragrance, Maison Francis Kurkdjian also makes niche fragrances.
Oud Extrait de Parfum sits right next to Baccarat on the shelf, but is largely ignored by non-enthusiasts. So MFK is not a "niche" house or a "mainstream" house, but a house that makes both niche and mainstream fragrances, as are most other houses. Dior makes both
Sauvage Eau de Toilette, the mainstreamiest mainstream fragrance of all, but it also makes
New Look and
Oud Rosewood Eau de Parfum, fragrances that non-enthusiasts would think smell gross. Why restrict a huge catalog into one box only?
So, what does everyone else think? Are the terms "niche" and "designer" antiquated with the rise of designer private lines and mass-appealing niche-brand fragrances? Or is it still useful to make a distinction between houses that only make fragrance as opposed to those who sell other product lines?
I recently read a detailed article breaking down this difference and the history behind niche perfumery here:
👉 https://underlineyourbeauty.com/what-is-niche-fragrance/
I wish the term "artisan" got as much traction as a separate and distinct category along side the designer/niche debate.
I love the idea of "mainstream" though. Mainstream and Craft might be the better descriptive terms.
It also didn't help that when I tried to figure out where the line in the sand is, people (back on Fragrantica) pointed to things like Anarchist A, with notes like "priest's clothes" and "plastic bag". I'm still struggling to take that seriously, if I'm being honest.
But either way, a cat in the bag from an indie brand with unspecified quality standards? It could easily be cat piss distilled in someone's kitchen for 200$ per 30ml for all I know. Did not sound like a good way to spend my money.
So imagine my surprise when I found out that niche is basically "a brand that didn't do anything interesting before this". That's... unhelpful, if not useless.
Your point about indie is also true. Generally indie perfumers will try to use higher quality ingredients, but the fact remains that they are generally inexperienced perfumers who don't have the skill of an Alberto Morillas or a Dominique Ropion, even though perfumers like those are usually contracted to make a mainstream mass-appealing fragrance for a big designer brand. You could even say indie perfumers try to make up for their inexperience by using naturals, like an amateur chef that needs $100 to make a meal, when a more experienced chef can make something more delicious for $10.
Last DHP was niche in composition - the current one is designer.
Tonka sarrapia is niche, mon guerlain is designer.
Ununtamam is niche, ani is designer.
So on and so forth - in my mind, its about the individuality of the fragrance itself. Not money, not brand, not subliminal or explicit marketing but - the scent.
I think another way of classifying, and it's similar to your suggestions is how some of us may classify books. I usually think "Literary" or "Bubble Gum," lol. And, I love both by the way. Sometimes I want to read The Road by Cormac McCarthy, and sometimes I want to read The Hunger Games. Under that, we might say:
Dior Amber Nuit - Literary.
Dior Sauvage - Bubble Gum.
Neither are bad, it's just whatever you're in the mood for. Admittedly, in the past, I would say, no, Dior is a designer house, hence everything is designer, but it really doesn't matter.
I have so much to say about this topic, but I'll keep it short and simple instead of preaching.
This applies to both perfumes and any other hobby/point of interest: don't fall into snobbery and pettiness/bitterness. That's not the point of a hobby. The point is to simply enjoy it :)
Also we must underline subjectiveness. We can wear a certain fragrance we consider superb even if it falls in the mainstream category. It is a matter of taste. I like Hermes fragrances. I do not consider them niche. They carry the Hermes stamp. Never too loud,classy ,elegant. (With some exceptions)
I used to be guilty of the niche/indie snobbery until I wised up and realized that, well, things that are popular are usually popular for a reason. I'm still always going to personally prefer perfumes that do something strange or unique with their concepts, but I'm not going to knock designer fragrances for being designer. That's just falling for marketing but in the opposite direction, imo.
Another example that immediately came to mind was Gucci Guilty Absolute as a non-mainstream designer and Layton as a mainstream niche.
When the hair on my neck starts to rise is when niche is considered “quality “. I believe that designer houses have deeper pockets, can buy the raw materials at better price rates, have more R&D etc and as you say they have the perfumers behind them. So they better deliver quality.
So maybe that’s what makes niche or indie brands so much fun and quirky. It’s just stuff what is sprouted in a perfumers mind, and sometimes that connects with us certain ways designer perfumes don’t. Is it fair to say that “designer” perfumes are designed especially with mainstream in mind? And niche with the artistic mindset?