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Poll: Do you think the classification of fragrances by gender is outdated and unnecessary?

Poll: Do you think the classification of fragrances by gender is outdated and unnecessary?

Does this classification have a negative impact on the development of innovative fragrances in the perfume industry?

We're using this poll to put our new polling tool through its paces. We want to see how fast and user friendly it really is, and your feedback will help us a lot!
Last updated 04/29/2024 - 11:54 AM
56 Comments
PerfumeBorePerfumeBore 1 year ago
4
Is there a way to see the results of the poll if you didn't get a chance to vote?
SmirkySmirky 1 year ago
2
Yeah, the polling tool is great. The way it shows the distribution is pretty cool.
Regarding the question, no the classification is not outdated - it provides a very useful criterion for a fragrance. The perfume houses classify many if not all their fragrances as unisex. They are probably doing that because they are 1) lazy, 2) being PC, 3) trying to make a cash grab without caring if customers are disappointed.
Making such a classification does not prevent anyone from testing, purchasing or wearing any scent they like. However, it can be useful for the large number of people who generally go according to traditional classifications. This site proves it to some extent. For example, the first time I smelled and wore Cuoium, I thought it's ridiculous to classify it as unisex - it's clearly a masculine fragrance. If you go to its listing here, you'll see that 92% of the people who own it are male. A true unisex fragrance should be split at least around 60%-40%, if not 50%-50%.
Gaylon67Gaylon67 1 year ago
What you said…! To me it is obviously PC with many fragrances. Appears similar to the pull of inauthenticity we no longer want others to feel. IMO we can honor each person’s choices without making many fragrances unisex. At the same time, I know every culture is different and more complex than my thoughts.
MLM1028MLM1028 1 year ago
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I like the polling tool. And I’d like to see it for other things. One thing that would be nice would be the actual release date of a fragrance (especially for the purposes of new ones that maybe haven’t released yet). With that said, I like having a way to differentiate the essence of a fragrance. Notes on a page are one thing, but they can sometimes be deceptive because the formulation of those ingredients can make a big difference. Whether or not the classification is based on gender terms or not anymore I think is a harder question, but the question of having a classification at all to me is yes I think we should have it. This is especially true since I personally don’t tend to like wearing fragrances that would be considered “feminine”, but that’s me. Of course, no one is limited in wearing what makes them happy regardless of the words used to describe a fragrance. I like in other comments, and agree, that this applies to “young” versus “old”, too
EmtoEmto 1 year ago
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I love the polling tool, it's cool to see the distribution of answers.
As far as the question goes - While I believe every fragrance is unisex, imo 'masculine' and 'feminine' can be useful as short-hand descriptors. However, they shouldn't dictate who can wear what.
SteelerOperaSteelerOpera 1 year ago
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Most of us come to this site to get a better feel/understanding of how a fragrance might smell& perform. When it comes to a fragrance we have never encountered, the more input is probably better. I Think we are all smart enough to know that these ratings in the classification section are just opinions; nothing should be offensive about that at all!
There is no way I could be considered anything but a progressive, personally and I believe I have a good grasp and understanding of the issue of gender equality, but defining a gender classification in fragrance as an old trope and outdated goes a bit too far. I feel the same way about old versus young. For me, it is very interesting and useful to see how others have categorized fragrances. This should not be a political or equality issue at all! And I feel that people who demand that these terms be eliminated here are possibly no better than religious people who demand everyone conform to their beliefs. Perhaps we could find better terms.
RingtaleRingtale 1 year ago
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Thinking about it, I'm wondering if the same question shouldn't be asked about classifying a perfume as 'mature' or 'youthful' ?
LieselotteLieselotte 1 year ago
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I personally do not think the moderators are asking the right question to begin with. The question to Parfumo users should be: Do you think the classification of fragrances by gender is user-friendly or completely unnecessary? 'Outdated' means nothing to me, rather, accessibility and computerisability are essential for decision-making.
RingtaleRingtale 1 year ago
I think everyone should wear whatever they like, but classifying a scent by gender, gives me a better idea of the scent-profile; maybe because many brands are marketing their scents for both genders lately, I don't mind that, but I do like to know if scents are perceived as more masculine or more feminine. But I can imagine that we should find a way to classify scents in a different way giving us the same idea of the scent, but without refering to 'the gender'.
CherlynCherlyn 1 year ago
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I agree. As long as Dior Homme smells like a purse, lipstick and powder puff, and maby many other men's fragrances are literally more feminine than the women's ones, any kind of this clasification is useless, even hilarious.
PaktraxPaktrax 1 year ago
1
It's necessary, because the world isn't just black or white—it's a huge scale of grays. A lot of friends say things like, 'all fragrances are unisex,' 'they don't have a gender,' 'fragrances are asexual.' But our noses know which ones smell like a girly girl and which ones scream lumberjack beard guy. This classification lets us play around with what smells like men and women each day, and that’s fun. Without that chance to switch roles, we'd all just be gray people smelling good.
MaxelisMaxelis 1 year ago
Women easily perceive many men's scents, but for men the association brake always works.
It’s the same with clothes. Women have taken a lot from men, for example trousers, but will men wear a skirt?
No!...because this is non-perception at the reflex level.
It would be much more objective if voting was carried out separately for male and female audiences.
SuavaGuavaSuavaGuava 1 year ago
Not the main question, but related: It definitely rubbed me the wrong way that you HAVE to state a gender in your user account. That, for me, also represents an outdated mindset.
LieselotteLieselotte 1 year ago
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I agree with you to an extent. To an extent only because I use this information to make certain important judgements about how I interpret people's reviews. For example, if I read a review that complained about the sweetness of a fragrance and it was written by someone whose profile identified them as male, I would not take that comment on board in deciding if it could be too sweet for me, but if it was by a female, I would definitely consider it carefully. Do you understand the nuance?
SuavaGuavaSuavaGuava 1 year ago
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Because what purpose does this serve? What is it going to do besides people judging your comments not on the basis of what you wrote, but on the basis of what a sign makes them think they know about you?
LevinferryLevinferry 1 year ago
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Incredibly torn. On one hand, I do think that because of marketing and just societal formalities the idea of truly making fragrance "gender-neutral" is insanely hard-- we've been raised in the sense that certain scents lean feminine and others masculine, as well as with the connotations of perfume being feminine and cologne being masculine. It's such a strong connotation that it's more denotation at this point-- at least in English speaking circles. I give credit to brands for trying however; Perhaps I'm just a pessimist.
I do believe though that with these ideas in mind it makes it easier to filter for certain scents because of how we perceive certain families to be strictly feminine or masculine. Shopping wise it's quite useful, perhaps moreso for brands trying to sell their products as well.
Really it's just about what you want to wear. I'm a strong believer in not limiting yourself to binaries. You'll never know what you'll miss if you don't get a little silly with it.
Exciter76Exciter76 1 year ago
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Honestly, I can take it or leave it. If it helps more traditional members of the community find fragrances, then keeping it is fine with me. Personally, labeling has little bearing on what I'm seeking, fragrance-wise.
DarellDarell 1 year ago
I strongly believe that classification of fragrances by gender is never outdated and making a poll about it certainly is unnecessary.
If it aint broken don't fix it. The current system is fine for me personally,
It's a easy way to quickly filter out fragrances by gender and have to be specified as such.
however fragrance notes on it's self are genderless but a composition made by a perfumer is a concept that is either targeted at Male, Female or can be Unisex but always is still subjective because of peoples personal tastes and preferences.
What we see nowadays is that the whole concept of that is being clouded by big companies that misuse the word unisex all the time just to sell the same fragrance to a bigger audience and make more profit. Removing a label just bring more money to the tabel
We already live in a world where the woke
are normalizing abstract things that are considered the new normal now.
maybe I'm old fashioned or please wake me up because im still sleeping...
SuavaGuavaSuavaGuava 1 year ago
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I think the fact you consider "unisex" to be a thing would have been considered pretty woke not too long ago - after all, how couly anything ever fall outside of the god-given binary of men and women… make of that what you will
LeoweneeLeowenee 1 year ago
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The gender association allows me to quickly filter out fragrances that contain scents I don't particularly enjoy. I'm a man who enjoys lighter, fresher scents, and that usually doesn't exist in the more masculine side of perfume stores. The labels allow me to narrow down the ones I'll likely try because 9/10, the scents I avoid out of instinct tend to be scents I won't ever wear. If anything, the perfume companies should make more unisex bottles and packaging so that other men won't be intimidated to try out "feminine" scents, and vice versa.
AndasuAndasu 1 year ago
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It's all just smelly water, and at the end of the day, our associations determine how we feel about perfume. No scent is inherently gendered, though perfume can be affirming for one's identity whether that be masculine, feminine, or somewhere in between. Trying to define how or where scents sit on the gender spectrum is weird, because different cultures have different associations.
Trends change all the time - Jicky, Shalimar and Cabochard were once considered the height of femininity. Smelling them today, they have more in common with perfumes marketed to men than women! Many gourmands marketed towards men are just as sweet as, if not sweeter than, gourmands marketed towards women.
Why not just do away with the labels entirely and let people decide for themselves?
KatzevogelKatzevogel 1 year ago
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This hits the nail on the head, 100%! It's all subjective!
StaticStatic 1 year ago
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Are flowers feminine? Or can a man also like flowers? As a man for example i like tobacco vanille TF as much as a woman who is a manager and also enjoying tobaco vanille because it makes her feel more self confidence. There is no such thing as M/F when it comes to perfumes. Regardless the marketing its the person that has to feel something for a fragrance.
BlanckqBlanckq 1 year ago
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I think fragrances can be both "masculine" and "effeminate" absolutely, but the "for men" and "for women" labelling can sometimes prevent anyone from trying and enjoying a particular fragrance. It can also be misleading!
At the end of the day, try any fragrance you want regardless of who it says it's marketed to, you might finding something new you like.
Be curious and open minded, and you'll be rewarded.
TheDrakeTheDrake 1 year ago
The fact that there now is a vote about this makes the world suck just a little bit more.
SopelkaSopelka 1 year ago
Having a polite and intelligent discussion about perfumes, the topic we all love, makes you sad? Cheer up, it’s going to be ok.
SystemshaakSystemshaak 1 year ago
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I get that it's an easy way to discern a subset of fragrances - it's complex enough trying to write about or read about them if you're new - but there are other ways. Musical genres are wonky and weird, but they're still useful and not primarily separated by gender. Like, the difference between fougere and gourmand (even though those are also broad), or even floral or fresh, is a more tangible difference than, like, "for man" and "for woman."
Signifiers are arbitrary, but signifiers are useful. I just wish we commonly used better ones.
EquiltonEquilton 1 year ago
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If I like the smell, I like the smell simple as that.
SixtwoSixtwo 1 year ago
"fast and user friendly?"
I am sure this poolling tool has absolutely nothing to do with probing the wokenes factor of the readers, right?
:-)
As the definition of gender can be anything, it defines nothing so - parfumers should "gender" their scents any which way it supports their misguided view of equality and inclusion. And profit.
Outdated and unnecessary?
Show up for a date smelling like a man I had a 2-hour business meeting today - you will be dancing the evening alone.
Fragrantica has masculine-feminine rating based on reader perception so why the fear, Parfumo?
FerdynandamfFerdynandamf 1 year ago
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Fragrantica is no role model and never should be considered as such.
ExUserExUser 1 year ago
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This could be a long comment on the social, cultural, political, philosophical, biological differences between men and women. If a company wants to create a unisex or ‘gender neutral’ fragrance, that’s fine. However I think we need to be specific about the meaning of the word gender, and how that differs from sex, so I’m going to be a little more specific and say classifying a fragrance as being for men, or for women, is not remotely outdated, never will be, and is necessary. It’s not necessary for every fragrance, but it is necessary. I’m a man, market your product in a way I’m going to engage with.
AnamandyAnamandy 1 year ago
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I love this poll. Yes, I find it helpful to know what and who the perfumer was aiming a fragrance for. But then again, a perfumer tastes are subjective, just like mine is, and what is feminine to him might be masculine to me and vice versa. Still, I do find it helpful, though of course, one can wear whatever one likes.
GalbanumLeafGalbanumLeaf 1 year ago
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I prefer knowing which way a fragrance *may* lean. And unisex is perfectly fine as well. I find it helpful. Can anyone wear what pleases them? Most certainly!
KathrynA66KathrynA66 1 year ago
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I think the gender-labeling thing is outdated, but many folks find it useful. I love the idea of having a rating system like this poll. I tend to think anything I wear is feminine, regardless of its label. If my husband wears it, it's masculine, even if I wore it yesterday.
PBullFriendPBullFriend 1 year ago
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I'm a woman who tends to go for spicy and woody rather than fruity or white floral. The classification is helpful to me in the sense that it tells me the likely concentration of some of the notes. I really dislike juniper on me - it reads as very "manly" in a negative way. But some scents have a very small amount of it and I find them wearable. Example: My experience has been that, if it includes juniper and is said to be masculine, then the concentration is likely too high and I won't like it. If it includes juniper and many other notes and is listed as feminine, it may still work for me. Similar with cedar, which I love much of the time, but is sometimes too much in "masculine" scents. It's partly a concentration issue and partly a balance issue.
PetarMolnarPetarMolnar 1 year ago
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Just dont make a bloody drama out of this.
PadfacePadface 1 year ago
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all fragrance is unisex if you stop being a little bitch about it 🙂
MrMoustacheMrMoustache 1 year ago
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When Parfumo is collecting data in their database, I think it makes sense to also collect the gender based data if the perfume brand provides it. In that way you offer data completeness. The possibility of offering the Parfumo community to vote for the gender is completely subjective and might be seen as outdated.
TomscoTomsco 1 year ago
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Nothing’s outdated, whining about this should be.
I think this slider works great and polls can be fun.
Keep up the good work!
Would also be nice to have a slider like this to rate masculinity/femininity of fragrances, instead of the only 3 choices we now have: male, female or both.
TomscoTomsco 1 year ago
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@GalbanumLeaf I think the masc/fem rating system we now have, and the chart that comes out of it, is already quite helpful and I often check it out myself 👌🏻
I only would’ve liked the opportunity to rate a fragrance 30/70 for example. Now it’s only 0/100, 50/50 or 100/0 😄
GalbanumLeafGalbanumLeaf 1 year ago
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"Would also be nice to have a slider like this to rate masculinity/femininity of fragrances"
That's kind of a good idea. This wold help some people, maybe not universally.
DonVanVlietDonVanVliet 1 year ago
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Thanks, great idea! 👍
SopelkaSopelka 1 year ago
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Explicitly labeling them as gender-specific is not necessary and restrictive, but having a wide variety of scents that lean deeply either way is still great. We need both options to complement the feminine or masculine energy we may want to project.
CallmeantoniCallmeantoni 1 year ago
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Only socially is this an issue. Wear what smells good to your nose. Regardless of the marketed gender. I seen a tiktok where a man complimented the fragrance his girlfriend was wearing. He didn't compliment her natural smell. Therefore he liked the perfume. He should, in that case, consider trying the fragrance on since his nose was attracted to it.
**** Also, I'm on mobile. Since the poll tool is a slide effect, it scrolls my screen trying to use it.
DonVanVlietDonVanVliet 1 year ago
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Thanks @Callmeantoni - we will fix that
Fragrance16Fragrance16 1 year ago
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Scents like Guerlain Jicky and Caron Tabac Blond, prove that gender assignment is not relevant. Also to add, my brain, at first, consider the venerable Guerlain Eau De Imperial, as well as 4711
(both labelled as unisex fragrance), since the 1800's/1700's, --- to be feminine( ..or beta leaning) , and indeed it has famously be worn by men-presidents, and there scent profile are 'assigned' as masculine (citrus/neroli base colognes.)
Fragrance16Fragrance16 1 year ago
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Much like my favorite fragrance, Guerlain Shalimar, I'm confident, as well as meek enough, not to be right. All while proudly choosing to identifying as a Gay African American Male, right or wrong.
Aw, Shalimar.
Dixieland88Dixieland88 1 year ago
Well, certain fragrances smell masculine or feminine. It doesn't matter what you do or how you label them. They exist separately from your own pet labeling system.
Fragrance16Fragrance16 1 year ago
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I've never smell Polo Green, or haven't experience in some time( the 90's ???). Yet, I must reiterate, that I don't assign gender to fragrance. I like to think in term of ....alpha, dominate, beta, meek, etc. In my life's walk, I have found that both female and male are capable of those descriptions.
Dixieland88Dixieland88 1 year ago
So polo green doesn't smell masculine to you?
Paryzz19Paryzz19 1 year ago
Culture cannot change human physiology. All meaning is created in the human brain, and some odour molecules, in the right context, give the impression of masculinity, neutrality or femininity.
Scent is a huge thing within humans, on a subconscious level, and everything happens in a fraction of a second.
It's virtually impossible for a non-biased human to claim that Aramis doesn't smell like a Man, and Black Opium like a Woman.
NomadbflyNomadbfly 1 year ago
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Disagree. Fragrance has been around for thousands of years and only recently has it ever been marketed towards genders. Previously all fragrance was considered unisex. Culture is also an enormous factor in determining the so-called masculinity and feminity of a scent. And now that society is opening up to the realization that gender is a social construct- we are seeing there are other options out there- the relevancy of gender-based marketing is even more questionable.
PatronrPatronr 1 year ago
Totally agree. Imagination is not physics. Orange is not a new black as some wish it would be. Changing meanings does not change facts.
Dixieland88Dixieland88 1 year ago
Obviously true. Current cultural trends are irrelevant.
Dixieland88Dixieland88 1 year ago
The idea of Perfumes not leaning to one gender or another is outdated. Also, the entire idea of things being "outdated" as if useful categorization is somehow tied to throwaway pop culture trends or the generic passage of time is very stupid.
Some things snell masculine, because that's a real thing. Some things smell feminine because that's a real thing. Some things are on the sliding scale somewhere.
PBullFriendPBullFriend 1 year ago
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Yes, but WHY do we judge them to be masculine or feminine. Sometimes scents seem one or the other to me because I associate them with a certain person. Sometimes they do because male and female sweat smell different, thus giving the perfume a different base to blend with. Sometimes it's because of personal grooming products a person uses that harmonize with the perfume or don't. It's not like Nature or God has decreed: Only men shall wear scents that include black pepper!

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