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#405 M5 Where We Are There Is No Here 2011

6.0 / 10 12 Ratings
A perfume by CB I Hate Perfume for women and men, released in 2011. The scent is woody-floral. It is still in production.
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Main accords

Woody
Floral
Synthetic
Fresh
Spicy

Fragrance Notes

MuskMusk ISO-E-SuperISO-E-Super Australian sandalwoodAustralian sandalwood HedioneHedione Mysore sandalwoodMysore sandalwood Amber absoluteAmber absolute Egyptian jasmine absoluteEgyptian jasmine absolute Jasminum auriculatum absoluteJasminum auriculatum absolute Moroccan jasmine absoluteMoroccan jasmine absolute

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Interesting Facts
The musk note in this fragrance is described by the perfumeur as "invisible musk", specially created for this fragrance.

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3 in-depth fragrance descriptions
Meggi

1018 Reviews
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Meggi
Meggi
Top Review 26  
Now also salted
Ah, the rotting pile of leaves! I recognize it immediately during the third Brosius test, of course, the sibling #704 Wild Hunt/Forest sends its regards in this regard. Specifically: The moldy, musty smell that surrounds a whitish, decayed pile of leaves. This is supposedly a kind of musk; although the musk here is supposedly "invisible" - which certainly does not refer to the colorless liquid in the vial, but means "not separately detectable." True, it smells like autumn decay.

At least we are already in the garden. This is not far from the next topic, because according to the manufacturer, #405 is supposed to be "a subtle Jasmine perfume." Aha. What emerges second after the leaf pile may refer to this jasmine; however, I still think of the strange impression of a sour mushroom dish like in #215 CBMUSK.

But just be patient! Today's candidate can certainly present an individual twist. As I continue, I think of salted vegetable stew. A little later, I consider - since I'm already on dubious culinary matters - frozen potato rösti, fried in plenty of old fat and now cold.

I wonder if I am being played. I have a quasi-original sample in front of me, apparently from the hand of a distributor, with a somewhat official print that names the fragrance. So it should all be real. However, I am surprised with a $170 substance that it again prominently smells of compost mushrooms from the garden as well as other mushrooms from the wok.

By the way, even the former is by no means an unpleasant smell, let me clarify that. I leave it to hardcore gardeners to spray themselves with it. It doesn't help me that in the afternoon an ISO-E-Super freshness mixes amusingly with the decay musk. I find the provider's flight forward pathetic: He calls his work the "antithesis of perfume."

Conclusion: I give up. The thing with Mr. Brosius and his stuff and me will not work.

I thank Bartholomeo for the sample.
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Serlo
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Serlo
Top Review 9  
The Spirit of a Fragrance
A breath of wind, everything passes, and yet is present, gently floating, perceptibly elusive and yet tangible. One can sense the presence of this breath, but it is not graspable. Soft and delicate, the breath envelops the wearer, hovering persistently a few millimeters above the body. The breath, the protective shell, remains.

"Where we are there is no here" is inspired by a film by Cocteau. "Where we are, there is no Here." Why does this sentence inspire a perfumer to create a fragrance? And what does the name say about the scent?

I watched a BBC documentary about perfumers with great interest, in which Christopher Brosius is one of the protagonists. For a client, he creates a fragrance that is supposed to smell like London and wet tweed, a scent that transports the American fan of Britain to England. For research purposes, Brosius travels directly to London and sniffs his way through the capital to reproduce the scent of the metropolis in his studio together with the client. There, they smell at wooden counters, sniff through old leather-bound books, and explore the taxi interiors with their noses. All of this made me curious to test a perfume from this eccentric, crazy, or perhaps brilliant and lofty artist (adjective freely selectable), whose credo seems to be to create perfumes that do not overpower the wearer, but evoke or preserve memories. Some things are not meant to be truly wearable. Who wants to smell like wet earth with tomato stems?

This fragrance is supposed to be different, thus quite wearable. Admittedly, the name of the perfume and the description on the CB I Hate Perfume homepage piqued my curiosity. The scent is said to be hardly perceivable and tangible, yet to have a great presence. The description continues with the spirit of a flower, which touches the subconscious of the wearer, but also those who encounter the fragrance. The "gibberish" then speaks of a special place in the inner world that becomes experienceable through the perfume. A world full of poetry. A world of imagination. The world of the surreal.

Surreal, then, not of this world, hardly perceivable, inner world: one might assume that the fragrance could indeed be a real little water that has simply been filled into a bottle with a spray head, shaken three times by fairies at the new moon, and the wearer must, free according to Brecht, seek the scent for themselves... It must be a good one, must, must, must! Perhaps this summary also reminded me of my favorite play "Art" by Yasmina Reza, in which a man, Serge, buys a white painting with white stripes and encounters considerable incomprehension from his friend Mark. This is how the conversation might have gone if it had been about the perfume:

M: "What's the name of the perfumer?"

S: "Christopher Brosius"

M: "How much?"

S: "About €130?"

M: "130€?!? You can't be telling me you spent 130€ on that! It smells like... nothing!"

S: "But it is a (solemn tone) BRO-SI-US!"

M: "I smell nothing!"

S: "Wait. You're not standing right! The wind is blowing in the other direction! Stand here. There! Don't you feel that slight vibration?"

M: "Vibration?! So you spent 130 euros on a perfume that only smells in the surreal? 130 euros for a transparent, slightly foamy, odorless diluted water?"

S: "How can you say, transparent crap? You have no idea of the genius of the perfumer, you don't care about niche fragrances with your pathetically cheap-smelling Boss Bottled, which everyone wears. You have no value standard to judge!"

M: "It's transparent, odorless crap. Excuse me!"
(Exits shaking his head.)

S: "To me, it doesn't smell like nothing! One could say it is quite... weak. It has a very faint scent of jasmine from all over the world, of delightful freshness and blossoms, mixed with the highest quality sandalwood. So velvety, so soft! This must be the legendary Iso-E-Super. Yes, even invisible musk, whatever that may be, is in it. If it smelled like nothing, I wouldn't like it. Mark smells nothing, that is his limitation! Mark smells nothing because he is caught up in the thought that it is nothing! Mark can think what he wants! He can kiss my a*!"

I tend to side with Serge, but I can certainly understand if others agree with Mark! Yes, it is a weak fragrance! Right after spraying, it is very noticeable, but as soon as the nose moves a bit away from the sprayed spot, it disappears again. A ghostly being, indeed. The astonishing thing, however, is that the fragrance lasts a very long time. I sprayed the scent this morning at 6 AM (shake beforehand to mix the fragrance oils back into the water) and now, after more than 12 hours, I can still faintly perceive the scent. Throughout the day, it has shown itself from time to time, as if to assure me that it is still present. Indeed, the description is accurate.

Is it worth the money now? For many, probably not. For that money, there are surely better, more present scents.
Is it wearable? Wonderful (nothing can disturb anyone, but it is not nothing)!

Conclusion: A fragrance for the wearer, not for the environment, that is very special yet again unspectacular. I like it! To me, it is not nothing.
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Labormaus

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Labormaus
Top Review 17  
that's crazy......!
Where we are, there’s nothing here....yes, hardly any scent!
Noooo, I got rid of the 130 bucks, now I’m doing yoga to reach another level, a spiritual one and so, maybe it smells there!

You know what? I can still handle the ISO-E Super, but....Amber, Jasmine, and Sandalwood?
Well, the Egyptian Jasmine is to be guessed, but unfortunately it seems to have been trampled by camels beforehand!

Nooooo, I still have all my senses intact (the sense of smell is even fully functional!) unfortunately without
notable results.
To be correct, the stuff doesn’t stink, it’s actually quite pleasant. I’m just not sure what Miraculix-Brosius has brewed in this kettle that was previously rinsed with ISO-E Super and Hedione.

Honestly, I even like the scent in a strange way, it’s quite nice (and I don’t mean the little sister of sh....t!) I don’t expect to stand out with it, but whatever, the stuff has to be used up.
If I’ve learned one thing from this........where I am, there are no more 130 bucks!!!
I’m done!
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Wherever you are - You "almost nothing" (water spiced/woody/floral)
...I can still smell you..
Invisible - musk - shines - in the dark
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A hint of wood scent, with a touch of almond sweetness, is all I can perceive. I feel more flavored than scented.
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