Rose Poivrée by The Different Company
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5.9 / 10 138 Ratings
A perfume by The Different Company for women and men, released in 2000. The scent is spicy-floral. It is still in production.
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Main accords

Spicy
Floral
Animal
Earthy
Green

Fragrance Pyramid

Top Notes Top Notes
Black pepperBlack pepper CorianderCoriander Pink pepperPink pepper
Heart Notes Heart Notes
Damask roseDamask rose Rosa centifoliaRosa centifolia
Base Notes Base Notes
CivetCivet VetiverVetiver

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5.9138 Ratings
Longevity
6.895 Ratings
Sillage
5.985 Ratings
Bottle
7.688 Ratings
Value for money
6.511 Ratings
Submitted by DonVanVliet, last update on 08/04/2024.
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The fragrance is part of the Juste Chic collection.

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Icekat

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Tomato and Roses – A match NOT made in heaven
I am always interested in new and unusual scents especially when it comes to my favorite queen of the flowers, the rose. In Rose Poivree, the rose is mixed with the vegetable cocktail and sprinkled with spices. Unfortunately, this is not a match made in heaven. The combination is awkward and unpleasant.

The scent opens with a gentle scent of a rose mixed with strong vegetable, and, in particular, tomato juices. The spices are a central part of this scent – pepper, coriander, and I also smell cumin with its distinct strong savory side. The quality of the scent is nice. The scent smells natural and gentle. And if smelled vegetable side of this scent on its own, I would probably like it. But this cumin – rose – tomato combo is just not something that mix well together.

I wore my sample multiple times trying to acquire a taste for this composition. But definitely not my thing. I’ll give it 6/10 – mostly for the unique and original composition…
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Sherapop

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Sherapop
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Death by Cumin
I smell no civet in ROSE POIVREE, but a huge dose of cumin. My references for civet are JOY and FIRST; my references for cumin, well, the kitchen! Perhaps synthetic civet has a cuminesque cast? Or maybe civet + coriander reacts to produce a cumin facsimile? Hmmm...

It's also possible that the names have been confused, and there really is plain old cumin in this composition. Anyway, cumin is never subtle—whether in perfumery or cuisine—and I find the quasi-cumin note so marked in the opening of this composition that it somewhat mangles the rose. Unfortunately, as the cumin fades to the point of being tolerable, the rose pretty much dies out. (Death by cumin?)

Well, this is not something that I have any real desire to smell like, and there's no dearth of rose perfumes out there, so I can safely move on...
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DasguteLeben

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Top Review 23  
Context is everything
Today after the thermal bath, my whole body steaming as if it had absorbed the warmth of the brine like a sponge. A spritz of Rose Poivrée, first generation, from the beautiful travel atomizer made of solid aluminum sprayed on my chest: wow, the civet note has never come through so strongly. The peppery, bay-leaf-spiced rose draped on the bed smells fantastic and undoubtedly transcends any gender-based boundaries. It simply smells elegant and lustful at the same time. Unfortunately great, in modern parlance. A scent that craves a body to bloom, not a "Mouchoir de Monsieur." It's a pity that in the newer version the animalic aspect has been toned down in favor of a melon-fruity component; in its original form, Rose Poivrée is a masterpiece of carefully modernized, de-ornamented haute parfumerie à la francaise, i.e., a celebration and aesthetic elevation of body and sensuality, miles away from the sterile plastic smell of many current niche products. The real thing, la vraie chose, the real McCoy. Worn so many times, but only today understood with body and soul.
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Profumo

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Top Review 24  
Tidied and aired out - may the intoxication of sensuality pass...
‘Rose poivrée’ was the first fragrance I acquired from the small but very fine ‘Differnt Company’. Others like ‘Osmanthus’, ‘Bois d'Iris’, and ‘Sel de Vetiver’ were to follow, but for several years now, essentially since Celine Ellena took over the legacy of her father Jean-Claude, who moved to Hermès, none of the newer creations have truly convinced me. Not that the fragrances she developed are uninspired or poorly made, no, but with her appointment as the house perfumer of TDC, the style of the house has changed in a way that does not resonate with me. Her father was already on the path of reducing strong (olfactory) colors in number and intensity, following a self-imposed minimalist mandate to give individual notes more space to showcase their inherent richness of facets. And so, the first four fragrances launched by TDC exemplarily attest to Jean-Claude Ellena's efforts toward reduction: he groups a manageable number of additional notes around a central note (Rose, Osmanthus, Iris, and Bergamot) that highlight, intensify, and lead in a different, sometimes surprising direction. In this way, seemingly simply structured soliflore fragrances emerge, yet even the first sniff of them hints at how even significantly reduced formulas can possess complexity and finesse. Particularly with his works created around the same time for Frédéric Malle and ‘The Different Company’, as well as those he has composed for Hermès since then, Jean-Claude Ellena demonstrates that he has achieved a certain mastery in striving for minimalism, combined with great artistry and a sense of delicacy, much like his teacher Edmond Roudnitska - I count the four fragrances created for TDC among his best.

Now Celine Ellena has adopted her father's approach - which is certainly not a mistake - but she no longer uses oil paints, not even for any kind of main note, but only watercolor paints (setting aside her ‘Sel de Vetiver’ and ‘Jasmin de Nuit’, which she presumably inherited from her father as more or less finished fragrance concepts). Thus, she paints delicate forms and gives them old-fashioned names like ‘Charmes et Feuilles’, or clunky ones like ‘Sublime Balkiss’. It's all quite nice, but primarily harmless and not really exciting.
The comparison with ‘Rose poivrée’ (I am referring to the old version) clearly shows this discrepancy: here a richly blooming rose in vibrant colors, with light green and spicy accents, surrounded by a mouth-watering animalistic aura (which I will return to elsewhere), and there a finely structured, rather colorless sketch of various uninspired assembled parts that do not seem to relate to each other at all.
Or, to choose another comparison: the chamber music works of Mr. Ellena senior, whether one finds them lacking in substance or not (I am more a fan of larger dimensioned symphonies), usually have a comprehensible idea behind them, culminating in a beautiful and memorable melody. They radiate great concentration, and the individual voices are perfectly balanced. The works of Ms. Ellena junior, on the other hand, are anything but concentrated, rather clumsy and diffuse, jumping here and there without a clear direction.
‘Rose poivrée’ is, in any case, a truly beautiful chamber music work, more precisely - a string quintet: the rose as the first violin, pepper as the second, coriander and vetiver play the violas, and finally civet the cello.

When the fragrance was launched a few years ago, the community of those who bent over the latest works with a supposed expert eye or nose was strangely divided. Some believed they recognized a great, very delicate, and unsweetened rose perfume with a seductive animalistic aura, while others, writhing in disgust, felt reminded of the smell of worn men's underwear.
It will surely not be surprising that I belonged to the former group. Yes, it amazed me every time how one could associate this wonderful fragrance with something unpleasant, even stinky - I could not perceive any of that, no matter how hard I tried. On the contrary: I suspect that exactly what others perceive as foul stench pleases my olfactory receptors much more than it disturbs - I love it when fragrances have a certain ‘flavor’, an aura of disreputability. That makes them interesting and often - not always - desirable. ‘Rose poivrée’ had just such an aura: a spicy rose, along with its green foliage, enveloped in a coat of frivolously enticing civet.
Others may be repelled by this aura, but I am drawn to it like a magnet. However, it seems I belong to a minority, as after Jean-Claude Ellena left the company and passed the baton to his daughter, the fragrance was significantly altered in terms of animalistic-erotic vibes: they were reduced to a minimum, making the fragrance more mass-appealing and not overly taxing on the consumer's nose.

What a pity, a great pity!

‘Rose poivrée’ was a bold fragrance that would have found a loyal fan base over time, albeit a small one, had it not been tamed much too early, and in my opinion unnecessarily. However, the manufacturer evidently lost their courage, for having such a fragrance in the portfolio means: standing by it despite all the criticism - provided, of course, one is convinced of its quality.
And cowardice presents itself to us in ‘Rose poivrée’ today: a beautiful, finely spiced rose in a neatly tidied and sterilized environment: far and wide no bed ruffled by desire and passion, just the last button of the not quite buttoned shirt, or blouse, revealing a glimpse of the still glowing skin of sensual longing - nothing more.

As I said: what a pity.

The new fragrance is beautiful, but harmless.
The old one was beautiful and exciting!
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Meggi

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Hail to thee, rose of Glamis!
I have really worked hard on RP. At first, I found it quite confusing. Only after several days of testing did a line emerge for me.

The opening is still something for fans of clear statements or for those who like to nitpick: What’s in it? Black pepper, pink pepper, coriander (listed in this order by TDC). Spray it on, sniff: Yes! Black pepper, pink pepper, coriander. Order? Check. Top note checked off. Quickly moving on to the heart note: Damask rose, centifolia. At this point, the hand hesitates to make a checkmark. Rose, that much is clear. But which one? We shall see: RP has a surprise in store.

With rose fragrances, it’s a tricky business. So far, I haven’t come across a perfume that could polish the aroma of real rose scent to nose level. Let alone the scent of old roses. That has little in common with the weak little smells typically found in rose bouquets.

RP also shows in the first half hour more of the common impression of scent-weaker modern cultivated forms, although it fortunately becomes less soapy-synthetic than often is the case. Here, the rose scent even has a certain watery quality. Not a slushy, stale fruit soda, but a fresh and quite elegant one. It actually smells a bit like watermelon, as my colleague, who is always asked to test, also noted.

The old roses, in order to ease their enchanting fullness, initially offer no reason for a quality judgment. One might find it understandable, especially - though not only - in regard to the unisex idea. As much as I love the classic-opulent scent of old roses, I wouldn’t want to smell it on myself, especially not in public. And even for women, a “real” old rose scent would certainly only be suitable for handpicked, downright pompous occasions - category Pope’s wedding and upwards.

To approach the old roses without causing public outrage, Monsieur Ellena employs a trick. For in the initially soapy-watery rose scent, a prickly, almost strict, herbal note slowly sneaks in, making the scent significantly more intense. I once wondered with the stinking geranium in “Whitehall” what the plant equivalent of animalistic might be. At least for me, this reminds me of daffodil or better yet hyacinth. And the latter is indeed a stinker! But what’s the point of all this?

One goes astray if one sniffs too closely to the skin (or has dosed too offensively...). Then this hyacinth (quite lifelike!) becomes almost unbearable. However, with a little distance from the skin, the stinker mixes with the watery rose scent to create a communal note that resembles what is occasionally referred to as “myrrh scent” in connection with some rose varieties. This is not to be taken literally, but represents one of the many fundamentally helpless attempts to conceptually approach the wonder of rose scent without tautologies. There will be “real” old roses of this so-called fragrance direction, but I don’t own any. I am more familiar with the term in connection with David Austin’s cultivars, that is, with English roses and some of his hybrids of old roses.

The best example from my collection is “Glamis Castle” - immortalized as a place by Shakespeare in “Macbeth.” However, Austin chose the name because Queen Mum spent her childhood there. This rose is sensitive even by Austin’s standards, and I see it (probably for that reason) rarely available in stores. In my northern German climate, it has been struggling along for years more poorly than well. I probably need to water it occasionally with gin…

“Mary Rose” or its sport “Winchester Cathedral” at least go in the same olfactory direction, although they come across as less strict. They are more commonly found - in case someone wants to sniff during the rose season. Those who do not want to (wait) and also currently have no hyacinth within reach can hold an opened Nivea jar under their nose. That at least provides a rough idea of the special twist of the scent. By this suggestion, it is clear that we are dealing with perhaps the most offbeat and, in my opinion, least feminine variant among rose fragrances in RP. This is undoubtedly something special.

The rose remains long underpinned by the peppery note, and at times the spice becomes almost intense again. As a pure top note, it cannot be so easily checked off in the end. The vetiver, which starts around four to five hours in, also makes sense in terms of the English rose camouflage, as it gradually replaces the hyacinth in the scent and takes over its duties until the rose impression finally runs out of steam. Overall, I find this successful and original.

The civet actually holds back. This scent does not wait with animalistic-wild associations, as some commentators nostalgically describe them. That doesn’t necessarily make it worse in my nose. I cannot assess it reliably anyway, as I do not know the version that was in circulation before the multiple diagnosed reformulation. Personally, I simply note that I am rather grateful for such restraint, as animal notes in the forefront are not really my thing, and civet least of all.

The longevity is quite decent. Especially considering that the rose lasts beautifully long. The sillage is - appropriate to the blending concept - tolerable.

In my evaluation, it went like with Aale-Dieter at the Hamburg fish market (“...and another eel!”): Initially, I saw the scent as average, but over the course of my engagement with it, I liked it more and more, and I added various eels in the form of additional percentages. The only downside for me: It seems quite hard to wear so far, after all, it could irritate my surroundings just as much as it did me at the beginning. Perhaps I should not care about that. I will persistently conduct one or another further field test in the office.

Conclusion: RP is a special rose scent that does not make it too easy for you. Somewhat fresh over hours, indeed strict, yet pure and never musty. Definitely worth a test, especially for gentlemen who find the fragrant-floating quality of other rose scents too feminine for themselves.
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The peppery rose takes new paths and is a solitary wanderer: pink-floral, peppery, soft-spicy, almost smoky, with little sweetness: different!
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A very mature rose with a good kick of pepper, the base is warm and spicy.
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Rose-covered stuffed cat in a pepper spice box.
One of the few quasi-gourmand formulations by Ellena that I like.
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Intense clove-peppery rose with a delicate human touch. Very elegant, mature, and somewhat rooted in the past.
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If I were a dog, I would mercilessly mark these rose bushes. Then someone comes by with the pepper shaker and that's it.
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All the good in this scent has been peppered up.... Rose and pickles are not and will never be friends here...
Haaa-Tschiii !!!!
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rose complete, so with stem and leaves and bloom. and pepper. it's rather colorful. the animalistic hint lets it breathe. nervous elegance.
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Pepper alert!!! Freshly ground, it's very tasty for food, but I don't like the smell. That tiny rose doesn't save it either.
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Rose carriage with sweaty horses in front! Sexy! Only gets very Chanel-like at the end!
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The pepper mill has lost its lid and the rose is over-peppered. For my nose, it's unbearably sharp and biting.
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